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I believe between the 20th and 30th March, certainly before let it be so." My mother told me that, on the offer being the month of May. When Mr Wade returned the books made, Mrs Caldwell said she did not want it, and that she and papers to me, he did so without any observations; there was no letter from him. He never sent to the office any certificate or report upon them, or anything in the nature of a report. I never heard him say that he was investigating, or had investigated, them. There is not now a single book or paper sent me to be examined, in existence. I cannot recollect sceing, when I was examined at the Council, any manuscript papers in His Excellency's hands, nor do I remember His Excellency referring to any such.
I told His Excellency the way in which I examined the books, but I do not recollect using the word cursory. I am quite certain that Mr May was not in the room when I was examined, and I did not go to the Council room again.
CHARLES MAY,—Recalled,
After reading my evidence given at last meeting, on the subject of what took place at the Executive Council, and hearing Mr Mongan's evidence now given to the Commission, I adhere to the statement I then made. As a minor incident, I may mention that Mr Mongan did not sit down, but stood at the Governor's elbow, and answered the questions he put. Mr Dixson did not say one word while Mr Mongan was in the room.
PANG WA-PANG,-Recalled.
I adhere to my statement before made, that no promise was ever made to Mr Caldwell that this money would be paid, and I never told Inspector Roberts that such promise had been made. I now say, that before the steamer went out, I said to Mr Caldwell that I would make him some polite present, to which Mr Caldwell replied, "that is not right, that is not right." This was the answer I gave to Roberts. Although I did not think Mr Caldwell would receive it, I was so very grateful, and the Chinese custom is so strong on that point, that I went again to offer Mr Caldwell the $100; half of this was on account of Achong. I am acting partner with Achong in the lorcha business, and I told him before I was going to do it. Achong told a man in his employ to give it to me, which he did. companied me when I went there. I carried the money in my own handkerchief. I am quite certain I did not take the money back with me, and that it has never been returned to me since.
On the first
would tell Mr Caldwell when he came back. I saw Caldwell after, and told him that the Commissariat people : did not know me, and that Mr Caldwell and I had been long here, and that Mr Caldwell knew whether I was good or bad, and that if he thought I was good to write so and recommend me.
Mr Caldwell said he would recommend me according to what was true.
I said nothing to him about the $1000; this was two or three days before my mother saw Mrs Caldwell. I also went the second day after my mother had been to Mrs Caldwell, and asked if that business had been settled. Mr Caldwell said he did not know,--it was Commissariat business. There was not on that occasion any- thing said to Mr Caldwell about the $1,000. occasion when I went to Mr Caldwell, I said I would give him some present according to politeness. Mr Caldwell re- plied "Oh! I dont' want it." Mr Caldwell had been ordered by the Commissariat to enquire after the men's characters, and I know he did write to them. I did not obtain the contract. I never paid the $1,000, or any part of it, nor made any present. I did go to Mrs Caldwell on the morning of the day on which it was to be decided who should be the contractor, and I alluded to the promise of my mother as to the $1,000, for which Mrs Caldwell said there was no neces- sity. I also mentioned that the tenders had been decided on. and that I had not obtained the contract. Mr Caldwell did on the first occasion tell me he had already made a report to the Commissariat about me and my securities, and could not write any more.
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Re-examined,-The first visit of my mother to Mrs Caldwell on the occasion referred to, was on the 4th month of this year (May). My mother went to ask Mrs Caldwell becaus...” it was an affair between women, and that that was in accord- ance with China custom. I did not think she had any power to get the contract. She went to her instead of my going to Mr Caldwell, because it was more convenient as I might not find him in, and she was to tell Mr Caldwell what my mother had said. It is not the custom for Chinese women to go to Mrs Caldwell, when they want anything from the Government. It is sometimes the case, but not a No one ac-fixed custom, that Chinese women offer money, or a present, fr valuables to Mrs Caldwell on such occasions. Mrs Cald- well does not accept these offers, nor does she, properly peaking, assist them in getting what they want, but they nly go to speak with her about it, Af using her influence with Mr Caldwell for this purpose, She is not in the habit
but I mean that people go to her that she may tell Mr Caldwell what they say. I have not had any conversa tion with Mr or Mrs Caldwell on this subject since my last examination. I have not seen Mrs Caldwell since, qud only saw Mr. Caldwell as he was going home that evening.
Cross-examined, I remember that I went to Mr Caldwell, and that my mother went to Mrs Caldwell, with a request that Mr Caldwell would write to the Commissary General, and obtain for me the contract for applying the troops with provisions. I sent my mother to Mrs Caldwell to offer her #1,000 if I obtained the contract. I did not order her to go, nor did I know hefore that she was going, but when she | They have neither of them sent to me nor desired me to come came back she told me she had done so. I did not say I to them. I did not offer the $1,000 because Mrs Caldwell sent my mother. I replied to my mother, "If you said so, I had accepted the $100 on the previous occasion. Had mng
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ever made or offered any present to Mr or Mrs Caldwell, xcept on these two occasions.
Mr
der been accepted, I should have made some present, but in reference to Ma-chow Wong and Mr Caldwell through as that had been refused. I his family. I got the letter translated, and it appeared from
that translation to relate to a seizure of tea by one of Her Majesty's Ships, and contained reference to a demand fn scr- vices rendered by Ma-chow Wong and Mrs Caldwell in causing KWOK ACHONG, P. & O. Co.'s Comprador.-Called the restoration of the tea to some claimant. The Merchant who nd examined.
gave me the letter mentioned the name of the person who had I know the last witness, he never was my partner at any given him the letter, and that is the name handed in. I desire ime--I had a half share in a lorcha three or four years ago; to bring to the knowledge of the Commission a matter, so that the other half was owned by several others. Last witness is not it may not be said I have abstained from giving them any agent for me nor the other owners; he had a lorcha of his information within my knowledge. I had a conversation own. I remember both these lorchas-mine and his-being with Mr Dixson on the subject of the strange and mysterious aptured by pirates. My partner and last witness got the interest which had been exhibited in favour of Ma-chow ssistance of a man-of-war which brought the lorchas back; I Wong, and expressing my inability to account for it. id not go to Mr Caldwell. The last witness never came to me Dixson said, "Why, other government officers have had trade bout paying expenses incident on the recapture. He never with Ma-chow Wong as well as Mr Caldwell." I said, "I dare poke to me about a present to Mr Caldwell; he spoke of a say that is true, I suppose you allude to little--" MrDixson resent to be given to the fishermen who brought the news. replied, "I don't mean little anybody, I mean somebody much never told any man in my employ to give $50 to Mr Cald- bigger," in a significant manner; I said nothing in return. well. I never paid Mr Caldwell any money with reference to I have no knowledge of my own of other Government that business. My partner attends to the Clerk's business; I officer than Mr Caldwell having trade with Ma-chow Wong. ever spoke to Pang Wa-pang with reference to any payment I do know that about two or three months back, a Chinaman,
be made to Mr Caldwell. I trust my partner, and do not who, from all I had known bore an honest character,—he was · now what he pays away. I do not know an Englishnian called on board the men-of-war "honest Jack," or some such alled Beaver. Chu Kwei took a gun out of another lorcha name-who had been a Comprador for Her Majesty's Ships, was bout eighteen months ago; he gave my captain a paper apprehended by Mr Caldwell. I know that on the occasion of fromising to pay for the gun when he came back to Houg- his apprehension, the Acting Colonial Secretary and Mr Cald- ong. The paper did not say anything about Ma-chow well, without any Warrant from the Magistrate, and having Fong. I do not know that any Englishman was charged taken the Police without any authority, went over with them ith stealing this gun, and I gave no evidence at the Police to the mainland, and searched a house there with reference to ourt
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the same case. I do not know the immediate cause of the apprehension, but a watch was found which was claimed by Mr Lapraik, who had lost it some years previously. The case I know from having heard from an English merchant, Mr was disposed of, and the man discharged. Another charge Madson, through Mr Mitchell, the Assistant Magistrate, that against him was brought forward-supported by the evidence fr Caldwell was specially engaged to make inquiries touching of convicts. I think it can be ascertained by the Commis
robbery of a very large quantity of tin. From what Mrsion, that an examination was held in the Gaol by the Jadson and Mr Mitchell told me, I have reason to believe Acting Colonial Secretary and Mr Caldwell, with refer-
CHARLES MAY-Recalled.
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a very large portion of the tin stolen was at one time in ence to the charge against this man. I believe that Police in colony in the possession of a Chinaman, and that not-Inspector Roberts was examined by the Acting Colonial thstanding the solicitation of Mr Hudson and Mr Mitchell Secretary within the Gaol, and gave important testimony as bir Caldwell to seize the tin, Mr Caldwell delayed to the falsity of the charge. I am not certain whether his ng soacting, as he said, upon the advice of Ma-evidence was upon the second charge, or upon a third charge, aw Wong, and that the result was that, with the ex-got up by convicts in the Gaol. To the best of my recol- of a few slabs, the entire of the tin escaped from the lection, the same convicts who gave evidence against this This was about three years back. I think I may man gave evidence in the file charge against Tong Akü; the Commission to apply to Mr Mitchell, as but the Chief Magistrate, who investigated both cases, can or eight days back Mr Mitchell made a strong give certain evidence on this head. In reference to the rea- ching to Ma-chow Wong and the case. son why this man was accused, it was told me--and I believe ☛ March, 1867, an English merchant (name you will get direct evidence of it from Assow, the Police Chairman) put into my hands a Chinese letter, Court Interpreter, and I think Roberts and Lyons-that the would take the best means of getting man had incurred the enmity of Ma-chow Wong. I had a githe contents be known, because conversation with the Attorney General, as stated by him etters of which he trusted ultimately about the communication from Mrs Caldwell to certain parties involving a charge of a grave nature that they were to state that they had not given presents. I
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